Meeting Queen Cersei
《冰與火之歌:權力遊戲》最終章 瑟曦王后現身分享心路歷程
Lena Headey Reflects on “Game of Thrones” and Her Character
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
I mean, here you are—a young woman. You have achieved fame with this unbelievable—who knew that it would be so successful—Game of Thrones …
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yes, who knew?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
... and it’s just the talking point all over the world. Everybody’s talking about this. The watercooler conversation is what happens in Game of Thrones. It’s ending. How does that feel to you?
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
I’m OK. I mean, it’s been eight years, you know. I like new things, so …
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
And how do[es] the cast all feel about having to disperse? I mean, it’s been shot, but it’s not out yet.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
It’s not out yet. We’re all going to New York at the end of the month, so we’ll all see each other, and then I think it will feel real. But you know, there’s [there are] things happening already—really exciting projects, and it allows you, you know … there’s a bit of freedom now.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
It’s very … it’s really interesting because there’s [there are] a lot of very strong women in Game of Thrones.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yep.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
And there is a little bit of a … you know, I mean, there’s [there are] very strong women, but there’s [there are] also portrayal[s] of women in ways that some women might not like. I mean, it’s caused some controversy—rapes and, you know, violence, and you’re a pretty villainous queen. Let’s … No?
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
No, she is. Misunderstood.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
She is, right? But is it an empowering role?
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yeah, it’s fantastic. I … you know, David and Dan are writers who are wonderful men. From the get-go, [they] took these women who were struggling, and they knew they were gonna raise them to these positions of power. And within that are, kind of, violent, muddy waters, as we know, the world shows us every day. So, to be part of the group of survivors, which are mainly women—it’s a great thing.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
And it’s quite a parable, also, for us. Let’s just play a small clip.
LENA HEADEY AS QUEEN CERSEI LANNISTER, “GAME OF THRONES”
Your daughter will die here in this cell, and you will be here watching when she does. You will be here the rest of your days. If you refuse to eat, we’ll force food down your throat. You will live to watch your daughter rot, to watch that beautiful face collapse to bone and dust, all the while contemplating the choices you’ve made.
Make sure the guards change the torches every few hours. I don’t want her to miss a thing.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
So, Lena Headey, that’s you playing Queen Cersei.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yep.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
[She’s] very villainous but comes, sort of, from a place of personal pain.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yes.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
Describe your character.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Cersei is a product of a deeply anti-female society. Her father … she’s … the only thing she’s desperate for is love from her father [and] recognition from her father. Even though he hates one of his sons, he still respects him. She loses her mother when she’s younger, so all she has is this father figure, and she’s also in love with her twin brother—all of her children are from him. She hates her younger brother because he killed her mother during childbirth, and her father just won’t even give her the eye contact that she’s so des[perate for]. She wants to be recognized as the ferocious, intelligent woman she is, and she outlives her father, so …
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
What about your own children? I mean, do they twig that their mom plays these really massive, larger-than-life roles in this regard?
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
I don’t … Well, Ted, who’s my youngest—she doesn’t have a clue. And Wylie knows ‘cause he’s at school and people talk, and he comes home and says, “Are you … is that you?” “Yeah.”
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
So, he’s proud?
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
I think he’s secretly proud.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
Yeah.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
You know, he’s nine, so he’s a little too cool for school.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
[A] little bit too cool, yeah.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
Yep.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
He doesn’t want you to walk him right to the school gate.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
He does …
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
Oh, is he still …
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
He’ll give me a tiny …
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, “AMANPOUR”
OK.
LENA HEADEY, ACTRESS
He kinda lets go of my hand now.
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
本人就在這裡──年輕女子。你因這部讓人難以置信、誰曉得會如此成功的《冰與火之歌:權力遊戲》而聲名大噪……
演員 琳娜.海莉
是呀,誰曉得呢?
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
……而且它成了世界各地都在討論的話題。大家都在聊這齣劇。茶水間閒聊的都是《冰與火之歌:權力遊戲》的劇情。就要完結了,你覺得怎麼樣?
演員 琳娜.海莉
還好囉。我是說,這已經拍八年了。我喜歡新的事物,所以……
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
演員們對於終須一別都有什麼樣的感覺呢?我是說,已經拍了,但還沒播出。
演員 琳娜.海莉
還沒播出。這個月底我們全都會去紐約一趟,所以我們彼此還會見到面,到時候就會感覺像真的了。不過有些事已經在進行了──很有意思的案子,而這讓你……現在有一點自由了。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
這非常……這真的很有意思,因為《冰與火之歌:權力遊戲》裡有很多非常堅毅的女性。
演員 琳娜.海莉
的確。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
這裡頭有那麼一點的……我是說,裡頭有很堅毅的女性,但也有些描繪女性的方式可能會讓一些女性感到不悅。我意思是,它引發了某些爭議──性侵啦、暴力啦,而你是個蠻惡毒的王后。讓我們……不是嗎?
演員 琳娜.海莉
對……她是。誤會了。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
她是,對吧?但這是個賦予力量的角色吧?
演員 琳娜.海莉
對啊,那很棒。我……大衛和丹恩兩位編劇人很好。他們一開始就加進了這些陷入困境的女性,而且他們知道他們會讓這些女人攀上這些擁有權力的地位。而在過程當中有暴力、混沌不清,一如我們每天在真實世界裡看到的。所以說,能成為那群倖存者當中的一分子──那群倖存者主要是女性──是很棒的一件事。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
而且對我們而言也寓意頗深。讓我們來播放一小段。
《冰與火之歌:權力遊戲》 瑟曦王后(琳娜.海莉 飾)
你的女兒將會死在這間牢房中,而你會在這裡目睹她死亡。你的餘生都會在這裡度過。如果你拒絕進食,我們會塞食物讓你吞下去。你會活著看著你的女兒腐爛,看著那張美麗的臉龐崩毀成白骨和塵土,同時思索著你做過的選擇。
務必讓守衛每隔幾小時就換火把。我不要她錯過任何好戲。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
琳娜.海莉,那是你在演瑟曦王后。
演員 琳娜.海莉
是啊。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
她非常惡毒,但背後原因是出自個人的傷痛。
演員 琳娜.海莉
是的。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
說說你的角色。
演員 琳娜.海莉
瑟曦是高度反女性社會下的一個產物。她的父親……她是……她唯一渴求的一件事便是父親的愛和肯定。雖然他痛恨他其中一個兒子,但他對他依然尊重。她在幼時喪母,所以她擁有的一切就是父親這個角色,而且她也愛著她的雙胞胎哥哥──她所有的孩子都是和他生的。她恨她的弟弟,因為他害她母親在生他的過程中過世,而她父親根本不肯如她如此渴求地正眼看她。她希望能藉由成為一個兇殘、聰明的女人而得到肯定,然後她也活得比她父親久,所以……
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
那你自己的孩子呢?我的意思是說,關於這點,他們知道自己的媽媽飾演這些強大且不凡的角色嗎?
演員 琳娜.海莉
我不……我的小女兒泰德──她完全沒有概念。懷利知道,因為他有上學,而且別人也會討論,然後他回到家就說:「你是不是……那是你嗎?」「是啊。」
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
所以他感到驕傲嗎?
演員 琳娜.海莉
我認為他有偷偷覺得驕傲啦。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
是哦。
演員 琳娜.海莉
你知道,他現在九歲,所以他都酷酷的。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
有點酷酷的,是啊。
演員 琳娜.海莉
對啊。
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
他不想要你陪他走到學校大門口。
演員 琳娜.海莉
他會……
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
噢,他還……
演員 琳娜.海莉
他會給我一個小小的……
《阿曼波深度訪談》 克莉斯汀.阿曼波
好。
演員 琳娜.海莉
他現在有點不太和我牽手了。